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01/24/2013 07:30 AM Senate SENATE SPECIAL COMM ON IN-STATE ENERGY


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON IN-STATE ENERGY                                                                        
                        January 24, 2013                                                                                        
                            7:30 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator John Coghill, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Giessel                                                                                                                 
Senator Huggins                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY OVERVIEW                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SARA FISHER-GOLD, Executive Director                                                                                            
Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview of the Alaska Energy                                                                 
Authority (AEA).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
GENE THERRIAULT, Deputy Director                                                                                                
Statewide Energy Policy Development                                                                                             
Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview of the Alaska Energy                                                                 
Authority (AEA).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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7:30:38 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR CLICK BISHOP called the Senate Special Committee on In-                                                              
State Energy meeting  to order at 7:30 a.m.  Present at the call                                                                
to  order were Senators  Micciche, Egan,  Wielechowski, Co-Chair                                                                
Coghill, and Co-Chair Bishop.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL said the committee would look geographically at                                                                
Alaska's in-state  energy issues.  He explained that  energy was                                                                
often  divided between  electrons: electricity  transmission and                                                                
generation, or hydrocarbon based for home heating and industrial                                                                
use.  He said  the committee's  intent was  to  address regional                                                                
energy issues and end up  with proper planning or provide policy                                                                
with a plan element.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY OVERVIEW                                                                                               
                  ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY OVERVIEW                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:33:13 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP announced the  business before the committee was                                                                
to  hear an  overview  of  the Alaska  Energy  Authority's (AEA)                                                                
various energy related projects throughout the state.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:34:21 AM                                                                                                                    
SARA  FISHER-GOLD, Executive  Director, Alaska  Energy Authority                                                                
(AEA), said  the AEA mission was  to reduce the  cost of energy.                                                                
She said  reduced energy cost was  done in a variety  of ways in                                                                
programs as follows:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
  · Investing in Alaska's Energy Infrastructure.                                                                                
  · Diversifying Alaska's Energy Portfolio.                                                                                     
  · Energy Planning and Policy.                                                                                                 
  · Technical and Community Assistance.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:36:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  FISHER-GOLD said  AEA's infrastructure  and  large projects                                                                
were as follows:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Bradley Lake Hydro Project                                                                                                 
       · State had provided a capital contribution of 50                                                                        
          percent. The cost of the project was over $328                                                                        
          million to build.                                                                                                     
       · Produces about 10 percent of the Railbelt's                                                                            
          electricity.                                                                                                          
       · AEA-owned asset.                                                                                                       
       · Low-cost energy producer.                                                                                              
       · The installed capacity is 120 megawatts and it                                                                         
          does provide 4.5 cents/kWh power.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD  said there  were outstanding  bonds for  the Bradley                                                           
Lake Project until 2021. She noted  that one of the unique situations                                                           
on the  Bradley Lake  model was  that the  state invested  50 percent                                                           
upfront  for the  project and  the  utilities would  be obligated  to                                                           
continue paying the state for an additional 20 years after 2021.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL asked  Ms.  Fisher-Gold to  explain where  the                                                                
Bradley Lake Hydro Project was located.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD answered that the Bradley Lake Hydro Project was                                                                
located in  the Homer  area. She  noted that the  Homer Electric                                                                
Association provided for the project's operations. She explained                                                                
that the operation was in  the Kenai Peninsula area and provided                                                                
power for the entire Railbelt region up to Fairbanks.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked Ms.  Fisher-Gold to explain Bradley Lake's                                                                
power capability versus  actual output. He noted  that there was                                                                
talk on upgrading lines to maximize the project's output.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD  responded that  the installed capacity  was the                                                                
120  megawatts and  the energy  produced was  10 percent  of the                                                                
Railbelt's electricity. She explained that Bradley Lake's output                                                                
was 560 gigawatt hours.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP asked  to  verify that  Bradley  Lake's current                                                                
maximum output was 90 megawatts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  replied that Bradley  Lake's electrical output                                                                
became unstable at 90 megawatts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD  responded  that  the  installed  capacity  was                                                                
different from  typical  output levels.  She noted  AEA's Battle                                                                
Creek  Project to  divert additional  water to  increase Bradley                                                                
Lake's hydroelectric power output.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:39:34 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR COGHILL  noted that  Senator Giessel, Chairman  for the                                                                
Senate Resources Committee Chairman was in attendance.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE commented that the [Battle Creek Project] would                                                                
increase  Bradley Lake's  output by  ten percent  and  bring the                                                                
useable capacity to approximately 99 megawatts.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD explained that one of the unique situations with                                                                
the  AEA  owned  projects  was   that  management  was  done  in                                                                
conjunction with the Railbelt utilities. She  said a 1993 change                                                                
to  the statutes  allowed  for the  concept  of  maximum utility                                                                
control for  the operation and  management of AEA  projects. She                                                                
noted that Bradley Lake was  operated and managed by the Bradley                                                                
Project Management Committee (BPMC), a  group made up of members                                                                
from [Railbelt] utilities and AEA.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
She  addressed additional infrastructure  and large  projects as                                                                
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Intertie                                                                                                            
       · AEA-owned with no outstanding debt.                                                                                    
       · Operated by AEA and Railbelt utilities.                                                                                
       · Runs from Willow to Healy.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Susitna-Watana Hydro                                                                                                       
       · New    project   with    an   installed   capacity                                                                     
          anticipated to be 600 megawatts, which would                                                                          
          provide roughly 50 percent of the electricity in                                                                      
          the Railbelt.                                                                                                         
       · SB 42 had authorized AEA to pursue licensing to                                                                        
          own and operate the project. This is the first                                                                        
          new project that AEA would own and operate since                                                                      
          the Bradley Lake Hydroelectric Project.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
She said  AEA was created in  1976 to primarily  own and operate                                                                
hydroelectric  projects.  She  explained that  even  though  AEA                                                                
divested certain projects, AEA would continue to own projects in                                                                
addition to pursuing the Susitna-Watana Hydro Project. She noted                                                                
that AEA built and owned the Four Dam Pool Project which served:                                                                
Kodiak;  the  Copper Valley  Region;  and  the Southeast  Alaska                                                                
communities of Petersburg, Wrangell, and Ketchikan. She said the                                                                
utilities formed the Four Dam Pool Association and purchased the                                                                
projects in  2001. She  noted that the  joint action  agency was                                                                
ultimately split up in to  Kodiak owning the Terra Lake Project,                                                                
Copper  Valley Electric  Association  owning  the Solomon  Gulch                                                                
Project, and  Southeast Alaska  Power Agency (SEAPA)  owning the                                                                
Two-Dam Project of  Swan Lake and Tyee  Lake projects. She noted                                                                
that SEAPA owned  the intertie that connected the  Swan Lake and                                                                
Tyee Lake  projects. She explained that the  joint action agency                                                                
remained, but  the owning  utilities were all  municipally owned                                                                
utilities in Southeast Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:42:59 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  FISHER-GOLD  noted  that  AEA  had  owned  the  Larsen  Bay                                                                
Hydroelectric Project and sold  it two years ago to  the city of                                                                
Larsen Bay.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She addressed  a map  that was  titled: Alaska  Energy Authority                                                                
Projects Under Construction Summer 2012.  She explained that the                                                                
map  provided  a broad  representation  of  the  variety of  AEA                                                                
programs:  Renewable Energy  Fund  Projects,  AEA managed  Rural                                                                
System  Upgrade Programs,  and Energy  Efficiency  Projects. She                                                                
noted that several of the AEA managed Energy Efficiency Projects                                                                
were from the Federal Stimulus  Fund via the Energy Efficiency &                                                                
Conservation Block Grant (EECBG). She  remarked that AEA was not                                                                
just about a  large hydro project or the  Railbelt. She said AEA                                                                
had  a broad  portfolio  of projects  that  impacted the  entire                                                                
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:44:07 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE noted that AEA was  a state agency that owned a                                                                
significant  portfolio of  energy  projects. He  asked what  the                                                                
current overall value was for state-owned energy projects.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD  answered  that  AEA  owned  the  Bradley  Lake                                                                
Hydroelectric Project and  the Alaska Intertie.  She stated that                                                                
the cost to build Bradley Lake was $328 million and the Intertie                                                                
was  over  $100  million.  She  noted  that  the  projects  were                                                                
depreciating in value.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked about  the smaller rural  projects where                                                                
AEA had been involved and the state did not technically own, but                                                                
project assistance was provided for funding and management.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD responded  that  AEA  had  provided operational                                                                
management and training services on behalf of small communities.                                                                
She noted that some  small communities do not have the technical                                                                
or management  capabilities to  build and operate  projects. She                                                                
explained that AEA services include  managing the payroll of the                                                                
local  workforce, providing  construction  management oversight,                                                                
and  paying  contractors for  the  work  to  be done.  She  said                                                                
reimbursement  was received  from the  specific  funding sources                                                                
that included  federal funds via  the Denali Commission  and the                                                                
state  of Alaska.  She noted  that  the state  had  extended AEA                                                                
funding to continue building  Rural Power Systems Upgrade (RPSU)                                                                
projects in addition to  bulk fuel projects. She summarized that                                                                
AEA did  not technically  own previously mentioned  projects and                                                                
cited  1993  legislation that  restricted  AEA  from owning  new                                                                
projects. She explained that SB 42 was required in 2011 in order                                                                
to pursue the Susitna-Watana Hydroelectric Project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
GENE  THERRIAULT,  Deputy   Director,  Statewide  Energy  Policy                                                                
Development, Alaska Energy Authority, said even though AEA owned                                                                
Bradley Lake and Alaska Intertie,  the policy was AEA would work                                                                
with local utilities and pass off  as much day to day control to                                                                
them.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:46:59 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. FISHER-GOLD  addressed AEA programs for  renewable energy as                                                                
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Renewable Energy Fund (REF)                                                                                                
       · State Goal: 50 percent renewable electricity by                                                                        
          2025.                                                                                                                 
       · HB 152 (2008) authorized AEA to manage program,                                                                        
          reauthorized in 2012 for another ten years.                                                                           
       · 227 projects approved totaling $202 million.                                                                           
       · More    than    60   projects    currently   under                                                                     
          construction.                                                                                                         
       · Round 6 recommendations projects. AEA provides                                                                         
          recommendations in  rounds  on  an  annual basis.                                                                     
          Round  6   recommendations  information  will  be                                                                     
          provided  to  legislature   today.  AEA  provides                                                                     
          analysis detail  of all  projects that  have come                                                                     
          in.  The list  is  developed  in  funding levels,                                                                     
          there is  a $25 million  funding level and  a $50                                                                     
          million  funding level.  An  in-total recommended                                                                     
          projects  fund  of  roughly $56  million  for  60                                                                     
          projects that will be recommended                                                                                     
       · By 2016, 12.3 million gallons of diesel and                                                                            
          natural   gas   equivalent  will   be   displaced                                                                     
          annually. Results: $45 million in annual savings.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL  asked if the  Round 6  recommendation would be                                                                
submitted as a report to the legislature.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD answered  yes.  She said  the  legislation that                                                                
authorized the renewable energy fund was a unique recommendation                                                                
program. She  revealed that  AEA was  not appropriated  money to                                                                
issue grants. She explained that  AEA was required to go through                                                                
a solicitation  process every  year and provide  the legislation                                                                
with a ranked projects list. She said the legislature determined                                                                
how far down the list to fund.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:49:19 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  FISHER-GOLD  addressed  AEA  programs for  emerging  energy                                                                
technology as follows:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Emerging Energy Technology Fund (EETF)                                                                                     
       · SB 220 (2010) created fund. Senator Wielechowski                                                                       
          was  the   Co-Chair   of  the   Senate  Resources                                                                     
          Committee at  the time that  helped usher through                                                                     
          that legislation.                                                                                                     
       · The key difference with REF, EETF does provide                                                                         
          AEA with the funds  to actually issue the grants.                                                                     
          Once AEA goes through the process, the grants are                                                                     
          issued. AEA  is  required to  conform  to a  very                                                                     
          detailed regulatory process  in order to  get the                                                                     
          projects recommended and funds granted.                                                                               
       · Through Denali Commission matching grant, $8.9                                                                         
          million available. It  was a  50/50 match between                                                                     
          state funds and federal dollars.                                                                                      
       · First round, 16 projects selected for funding                                                                          
          (2012).                                                                                                               
       · Priority for the funds was for Alaska businesses,                                                                      
          utilities  or  nonprofit,  and  tribal  or  local                                                                     
          governments for  emerging  technologies. AEA  was                                                                     
          looking for demonstration projects  that could be                                                                     
          demonstrated  and  commercially viable  within  5                                                                     
          years.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL addressed EETF  projects and explained that the                                                                
committee's intent was to maintain a  regional view. He asked if                                                                
the  emerging technologies generally  fell into  the  more rural                                                                
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD responded that  the EETF projects were statewide                                                                
and some  had a  rural perspective.  She noted  that one  of the                                                                
grantees  was  [Hatch  and  Williams  Advanced  Engineering];  a                                                                
company that was developing a  flywheel for a wind-diesel hybrid                                                                
system that would help to regulate the wind powder coming into a                                                                
diesel system.  She explained that the  wind-diesel system would                                                                
have an application in rural Alaska.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She noted that the Altaeros Energies Helium Balloon Wind Turbine                                                                
as an EETF  grantee. She said AEA had funded  a broad variety of                                                                
projects:  hydrokinetic,  diesel  generator  energy  efficiency,                                                                
power  and storage  capabilities,  and biomass  heat pumps.  She                                                                
noted that EETF was  not focused solely on renewable energy. She                                                                
explained that hydrocarbon and  fossil fuels based projects were                                                                
also eligible for the program.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL stated  that the committee would  be looking at                                                                
emerging  technologies, especially for  smaller  communities. He                                                                
said he  was interested  in seeing  what applicants  emerged and                                                                
fell out of the vetting  process. He cited an example that three                                                                
or more in-river hydrokinetic variations existed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:53:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  THERRIAULT  explained that  EETF  projects  were driven  by                                                                
economics. He  cited an  example of  a technology  that produced                                                                
power  at 20  cents per  kilowatt-hour might  not make  sense in                                                                
Anchorage, but  would in  a rural  setting when  competing power                                                                
cost  was 50  cents  per  kilowatt-hour. He  explained that  the                                                                
program  was not  rural-targeted, but  economics  often dictated                                                                
that rural applications made the most sense.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL said the reason  he brought up the rural aspect                                                                
was  due to  the committee's  focus on  geographic  and economic                                                                
regions. He  explained that the  committee would be  looking for                                                                
ways to help regions benefit from an energy policy strategy.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD stated that AEA had an EETF partnership with the                                                                
Alaska Center  for Energy  & Power (ACEP)  at the  University of                                                                
Alaska-Fairbanks (UAF). She explained that  ACEP assisted AEA in                                                                
managing the  EETF  program via  data collection  and technology                                                                
analysis.  She said  when  legislation was  created  for AEA  to                                                                
examine programs for its energy portfolio, a gap existed between                                                                
research   and  development   at   the   university  level   and                                                                
commercialized technology.  She noted that  EETF was  created to                                                                
develop  demonstration  projects  in   order  to  broaden  AEA's                                                                
portfolio of options in Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL asked if ACEP would assist AEA in reviewing the                                                                
potential EETF applicants.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:56:09 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. FISHER-GOLD answered yes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She addressed AEA Programs as follows:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Energy Statistics                                                                                                          
       · Summary and analysis of electricity generation                                                                         
          and use across Alaska.                                                                                                
       · Annual report for the last three years. Prior                                                                          
          updates were only done every five to ten years.                                                                       
       · Provides a baseline to measure how AEA was doing                                                                       
          with its  goals. One goal  was passed via  HB 306                                                                     
          regarding  the   50   percent   renewable  energy                                                                     
          electricity by  2025.  The other  one  that comes                                                                     
          into AEA's  Efficiency and  Conservation Programs                                                                     
          is improving  efficiency by  15 percent  by 2020.                                                                     
          AEA  has  a  methodology through  its  statistics                                                                     
          collection to  measure  how AEA  was  meeting the                                                                     
          energy efficiency goal.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Efficiency and Conservation                                                                                                
       · State Goal: improve efficiency 15 percent by                                                                           
          2020. AEA  works in  partnership with  the Alaska                                                                     
          Housing Finance  Corporation (AHFC)  to recommend                                                                     
          and put  forth  residential programs  that assist                                                                     
          AEA in attaining the efficiency goal.                                                                                 
       · AEA's focus is on commercial buildings, rural                                                                          
          public  buildings,   industrial   facilities  and                                                                     
          electrical  efficiency  in   the  diesel  systems                                                                     
          installed in rural Alaska.                                                                                            
       · Statewide outreach and education.                                                                                      
       · Support for multi-stakeholder group, Alaska                                                                            
          Energy Partnership.                                                                                                   
       · Coordination between State agencies.                                                                                   
       · Alaska Commercial Energy Audit Program.                                                                                
       · Village Energy Efficiency Program.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:57:42 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR Bishop  recognized that Senator Huggins  was present at                                                                
the committee meeting.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE stated  that the  committee's focus  was on  a                                                                
statewide energy plan  for both urban and rural  areas. He noted                                                                
AEA's goals relating  to renewable energy, commercial viability,                                                                
and improving efficiency.  He asked if there  was an independent                                                                
clearing-house to  verify  where the  state was  in  meeting its                                                                
energy goals.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT answered that AEA was the clearing-house. He said                                                                
AEA followed the policy  that was established by the legislature                                                                
and the  administration. He stated that  HB 306 and  SB 220 were                                                                
2010 bills that  established a lot of  the state's energy policy                                                                
direction.  He said  the  empowering authority  was provided  to                                                                
implement the energy  policy. He said it  was his responsibility                                                                
to make sure  AEA was implementing policy and  achieving the set                                                                
goals for programs. He stated that  he would be the point person                                                                
for the committee to contact to track down specific information.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD  explained that  AEA was  working on  an "energy                                                                
cheat sheet" that  showed the AHFC and  AEA energy programs. She                                                                
noted that the  Alaska Industrial Development & Export Authority                                                                
(AIDEA) had  a new program, the  Sustainable Energy Transmission                                                                
and  Supply Development  Fund  (SETS). She  explained that  SETS                                                                
would play  a significant role  in financing energy  projects in                                                                
the future.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL addressed  the  difference  between industrial                                                                
base electricity and industrial base hydrocarbons.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD  stated that  AEA had  a high  level statistical                                                                
overview for statewide electricity.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked   if  AEA  had  a   list  of  state                                                                
expenditures for energy projects over the last 20 to 30 years.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD answered that a ten  year list of AEA funded and                                                                
constructed  projects could  be  provided.  She  said she  would                                                                
provide  the  committee  with  a   report  from  the  Office  of                                                                
Management and Budget (OMB) on total funding for energy programs                                                                
beyond what AEA encompassed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:03:24 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.   FISHER-GOLD  addressed   Community   Concept-Nightmute  as                                                                
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Bringing Together Many Partners                                                                                            
       · Partnerships:    AEA,   Alaska  Village   Electric                                                                     
          Cooperative   (AVEC),   Association  of   Village                                                                     
          Council  Presidents   (AVCP)-Housing,  Nightmute,                                                                     
          Denali Commission,  RuralCAP and  Alaska Building                                                                     
          Science Network.                                                                                                      
       · Comprehensive assessment of the community's                                                                            
          energy need.                                                                                                          
       · Successes:                                                                                                             
              Æ’Lighting      and     weatherization                                                                            
                 upgrades in 13 community buildings                                                                             
                 and 4 teacher housing units.                                                                                   
              Æ’59 percent energy savings.                                                                                      
              Æ’Average building went from two to                                                                               
                 four Star energy rating.                                                                                       
              Æ’Average building fuel consumption                                                                               
                 went from 961 gallons/year to 423                                                                              
                 gallons/year.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD  explained  that  AEA   was  able  to  go  into                                                                
communities and  provide a comprehensive review  of their energy                                                                
needs with  their Village Energy Efficiency  Program (VEEP). She                                                                
said VEED allowed AEA  to address community facilities, lighting                                                                
retrofits, and  upgrades. She  noted that VEEP  was particularly                                                                
effective  in high  cost  rural communities  where  60 cent  per                                                                
kilowatt-hour was not unknown.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL asked  if reporting would come  through AHFC or                                                                
AEA.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD answered that the VEEP report would come through                                                                
AEA.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL asked if  information was available on specific                                                                
energy efficiency results.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD answered yes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL stated that  the committee would address energy                                                                
conservation, new energy  technology, as well as the  use of oil                                                                
or gas.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD replied that  energy  efficiency was  AEA's top                                                                
priority.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL  commented  that  his  Fairbanks  constituents                                                                
addressed  the  city's  improved  energy  efficiency  and  their                                                                
consternation over receiving higher utility rates afterwards.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:06:54 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  asked Mr.  Therriault to address  the Nightmute                                                                
Project. He inquired if  it made any difference what hydrocarbon                                                                
was  used as  fuel. He  noted that  efficiency was  the  key and                                                                
cutting the fuel use by 59 percent was a great outcome.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT replied  that AEA's  authority directive  was to                                                                
lower the  cost of  energy for  Alaskans. He explained  that the                                                                
directive was  not just to  lower per  unit price, but  to lower                                                                
people's average energy bill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  what happened  to  Nightmute's fuel                                                                
bills.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL  inquired  if   the  59  percent  savings  was                                                                
attributed specifically to Nightmute.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if AEA  had  a number  on what  the                                                                
kilowatt-hour or diesel cost difference was.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD responded  that  she did  not  have a  specific                                                                
number  on  the  energy  cost  difference. She  noted  that  the                                                                
electrical rates were 53 cents per kilowatt-hour.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL  commented  on  Nightmute  and  addressed  the                                                                
challenges from  the Power  Cost Equalization (PCE)  program. He                                                                
explained  that PCE  was  directed towards  residential use  and                                                                
businesses  were  left out.  He  asked  if  businesses would  be                                                                
included within the conservation measures.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:08:46 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  FISHER-GOLD answered  that  AEA  was  working on  increased                                                                
funding and  financing for  commercial efficiency  upgrades. She                                                                
said the Alaska  Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic                                                                
Development (DCCED) offered business entities a loan program for                                                                
alternative energy and energy efficiency. She noted that the PCE                                                                
Program did not  cover commercial facilities. She explained that                                                                
the Renewable Energy Program  would impact an entire community's                                                                
displacement of  diesel fuel  and not just  the 33  percent that                                                                
were eligible for the PCE Program.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL commented  that  entrepreneurs  should not  be                                                                
discouraged in communities. He  explained that residential homes                                                                
may realize lower costs,  but enterprising businesses were vital                                                                
to a community.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked what  Ms. Fisher-Gold's thoughts were                                                                
on  expanding the  PCE Program  to include  businesses  in rural                                                                
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD  replied that legislation was  introduced in the                                                                
House to  address the PCE  Program for businesses. She  said AEA                                                                
would provide  fiscal impact analysis  when the bill  was heard.                                                                
She explained  that she  did not  have a  position on  whether a                                                                
commercial business should  be included in the  PCE Program. She                                                                
said a  small amount of  commercial businesses were  included in                                                                
the PCE Program in 1999,  but were removed during the same year.                                                                
She explained  that the  PCE Program was  a $40  million program                                                                
that would  require additional  funding if  commercial customers                                                                
were added. She noted that  schools were not included in the PCE                                                                
Program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:11:35 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if Ms. Fisher-Gold had a sense of the                                                                
cost for including schools and businesses.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD answered that AEA had not completed the analysis                                                                
and noted that  the House bill had not  been scheduled. She said                                                                
the AEA report would address  the current costs and estimate the                                                                
commercial impact.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT   responded  that   AEA's  report   would  allow                                                                
legislators to  consider the fiscal impact  from adding entities                                                                
to the  PCE Program.  He noted that  attention would have  to be                                                                
given to assure  that the PCE endowment  would continue to cover                                                                
residential demand.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL  commented   that  the  policy   call  on  PCE                                                                
highlighted   the   challenges   for   businesses   in   smaller                                                                
communities.  He said  it  was important  for  the committee  to                                                                
continue looking  at  ways to  assist businesses,  especially in                                                                
regional areas with energy supply issues.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:13:07 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  THERRIAULT  addressed   Senator  Coghill's  statement  that                                                                
residents in his district were encouraged to conserve energy and                                                                
rewarded with higher electricity  rates. He noted that increased                                                                
fuel costs  may have  had an  impact on rates  during Fairbank's                                                                
energy conservation. He explained that reduced consumption would                                                                
force a  utility to spread  its fixed costs  on fewer kilowatts,                                                                
but  the increase  in fixed  cost per  unit of  energy  would be                                                                
minimal.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed  Senator  Wielechowski's question  on  Nightmute's                                                                
impact on fuel consumption. He said the amount of fuel that each                                                                
residence used was  cut dramatically. He explained  that the use                                                                
of power  was probably reduced,  but the  cost per kilowatt-hour                                                                
may have gone up. He  stated that the overall annual energy bill                                                                
went down.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  said  AEA  was  addressing  loans  and  programs  to  assist                                                                
businesses.  He  noted  that  the  state  faced  added  risk  in                                                                
providing  loans   to  smaller   businesses  that   may  declare                                                                
bankruptcy.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He said AEA  was not seeing the  desired program activity levels                                                                
from  schools.   He  explained   that  a  program   existed  for                                                                
incentivizing schools to take  on energy efficiency measures. He                                                                
said  lower  program  activity   may  be  attributed  to  school                                                                
districts  being geared  towards a  Capital  Improvement Project                                                                
(CIP) request  process. He stated  that AEA would try  to figure                                                                
out ways  to remove  barriers and  reshape programs  to increase                                                                
participation levels that policy makers had hoped for.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  asked  if  consideration should  be  given  to                                                                
centralizing energy loans  from a one-stop-shop.  He inquired if                                                                
the  state was  doing  a  good enough  job  in  educating school                                                                
districts that funds were available outside of the CIP request.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  answered that he addressed  energy programs with                                                                
Commissioner Hanley from  the Department of  Education and Early                                                                
Development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:17:04 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. FISHER-GOLD noted that Mr.  Therriault's role was to address                                                                
issues  and  make  sure  AEA  was  able to  effectively  deliver                                                                
programs  to its  customers.  She noted  that  AEA continued  to                                                                
review programs and find ways to improve.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She  explained  that  AEA's  Power Project  Fund  (PPF)  was  as                                                                
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
       · Loans to upgrade or develop small-scale electric                                                                       
          power facilities.                                                                                                     
       · Includes bulk fuel storage, transmission and                                                                           
          distribution, waste energy, energy conservation,                                                                      
          energy   efficiency    and   alternative   energy                                                                     
          facilities and equipment.                                                                                             
       · State assistance for a project more than $5                                                                            
          million requires Legislative approval.                                                                                
       · Low interest rates.                                                                                                    
       · $42 million in PPF (half in application process).                                                                      
       · Chena Hot Springs geothermal power plant.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She said PPF had been  under-utilized in the past due to utility                                                                
cooperatives having alternate funding  sources, but noted recent                                                                
participation  had increased.  She explained  that  PPF required                                                                
legislative approval for a project that had state involvement or                                                                
assistance of  more than  $5 million. She  noted that  AEA would                                                                
address  the  application  process to  provide  a  user-friendly                                                                
format that in turn provided AEA with the proper information to                                                                 
evaluate projects.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She addressed AEA's Rural Energy Programs as follows:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Bulk Fuel and Rural Power Systems Upgrades                                                                                 
       ·  Help  utilities  improve efficiency,  safety  and                                                                     
          reliability of power systems.                                                                                         
       ·  Completed $304  million  in rural  bulk  fuel and                                                                     
          rural power system upgrade projects since 2000,                                                                       
          in partnership with Denali Commission.                                                                                
       · Thirteen projects under construction next year.                                                                        
       ·  Circuit   rider   technical  assistance   in   53                                                                     
          communities (FY 12).                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Training and Technical Assistance                                                                                          
       ·  Training  for  power  plant  operators,  advanced                                                                     
         power plant, bulk fuel, electric utility manager,                                                                      
          Power Cost Equalization.                                                                                              
       ·  Energy  specialists assisted  40+  communities to                                                                     
          advance to project-ready status.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD stated  that AEA  had a  hands-on approach                                                                     
when  assisting   rural  communities  in   building  energy                                                                     
infrastructures. She noted that  AEA invested a significant                                                                     
amount of time to make sure rural communities were trained.                                                                     
She said AEA worked with the Alaska Department of Labor and                                                                     
Workforce Development  to send  individuals to  power plant                                                                     
training  at AVTEC-Alaska's  Institute  of  Technology. She                                                                     
explained that PCE training was provided for utility clerks                                                                     
to  assist  in accurately  expediting  reports and  monthly                                                                     
payments. She noted  that AEA received funding  for two new                                                                     
energy  specialists  to   provide  rural  communities  with                                                                     
technical assistance for energy grant applications.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:20:45 AM                                                                                                                    
She explained the Rural Energy-Power Cost Equalization (PCE) as                                                                 
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
       ·  Provide economic assistance in rural Alaska where                                                                     
            electrical rates can be three to four times                                                                         
          higher than in urban Alaska.                                                                                          
       ·  Available to community facilities and residential                                                                     
          customers.                                                                                                            
       · Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA) sets rates,                                                                      
          calculations   based    on    use,    costs   and                                                                     
          efficiencies.                                                                                                         
       · Approximately 77,341 people live in the 183                                                                            
          participating communities (FY 11).                                                                                    
       · PCE payments at 100 percent totaling $39.5                                                                             
          million (FY 12).                                                                                                      
       · $788 million PCE Endowment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD explained that  the PCE Program's endowment                                                                     
funding was based upon  a monthly market value average over                                                                     
a three year period. She noted that the program's endowment                                                                     
received  a  $400 million  appropriation  in  2011 and  the                                                                     
appropriation was  working its  way through the  three year                                                                     
average. She  said the program would  realize a significant                                                                     
increase  for  the  upcoming  fiscal  year  with  the  2011                                                                     
appropriation being fully realized in 2016.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI noted that friends from Fairbanks had asked                                                                
if PCE funds might be expanded to include energy cost assistance                                                                
for interior areas like Fairbanks.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD answered that there had been legislation in past                                                                
years for  Fairbanks to  receive PCE funds.  She noted  that any                                                                
legislation would require AEA to provide cost information if PCE                                                                
funds were  considered for more communities.  She explained that                                                                
eligibility for PCE was based  upon community size and 1984 fuel                                                                
usage. She noted that PCE  was not an expandable program without                                                                
legislation. She  noted that Fairbanks  was paying 22  cents per                                                                
kilowatt-hour and  some  PCE communities  were paying  less than                                                                
Fairbanks. She  explained that some  of the PCE  communities had                                                                
14.5 cents per  kilowatt-hour floors that paid up  to 95 percent                                                                
of the  first 500  kilowatt-hours. She said  based upon  the PCE                                                                
program formula, some  PCE communities could be paying  15 to 16                                                                
cents per  kilowatt-hour for 30  percent of the  total kilowatt-                                                                
hours produced.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:24:03 AM                                                                                                                    
She  addressed   AEA's  Supporting  Regional  Solutions-Regional                                                                
Energy Planning as follows:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
       · Energy Pathways led to regional planning.                                                                              
       · Address unique challenges while capitalizing on                                                                        
          regional resources.                                                                                                   
       · Locally driven and community-vetted blueprint for                                                                      
          sustainability.                                                                                                       
       · Objective    to   provide   specific,   actionable                                                                     
          recommendations.                                                                                                      
       · Includes    electric,   heat  and   transportation                                                                     
          energy.                                                                                                               
       · Previous plans: Railbelt Integrated Resources                                                                          
          Plan and Southeast Integrated Resources Plan.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD said  the  Energy  Pathways  Plan was  put                                                                     
forward in 2008  by Steve Haagenson, AEA's former Executive                                                                     
Director. She said the plan was completed in 2010 and noted                                                                     
that AEA was working  on the further development to provide                                                                     
communities  with an  inventory  of what  was  available to                                                                     
reduce the  cost of energy. She  said energy planning would                                                                     
be regionally lead and locally driven.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:25:24 AM                                                                                                                    
She addressed AEA's Supporting Regional Solutions-Lessons                                                                       
Learned: Building Blocks of Energy, as follows:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
       · What keeps the lights on? Is this a safe and                                                                           
          efficient source of power:                                                                                            
       · Can renewable energy sources be integrated?                                                                            
       · Is there potential for economic development?                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that AEA  reviewed energy sources  and noted                                                                     
that rural Alaska was  often diesel based. She said smaller                                                                     
power systems evaluations were made in addition to ensuring                                                                     
system safety and efficiency. She  noted that AEA looked at                                                                     
renewable energy integration as  well as energy rate impact                                                                     
on economic development.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She addressed Supporting Regional Solutions, Five-Step Process                                                                  
to Developing a Plan, as follows:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
       1. Preliminary     planning    and     stakeholder's                                                                     
          identification.                                                                                                       
       2. Resource inventory assessment/data analysis.                                                                          
       3. Develop    and   review    draft    energy   plan                                                                     
          alternatives.                                                                                                         
       4. Solicit comments on draft.                                                                                            
       5. Final Document.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She noted that in Step  4, the regional leaders in the plan                                                                     
were  solicited   for  comments.  She   said  AEA  provided                                                                     
assistance that was specific  to projects or the technology                                                                     
that was sought out.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She identified  an AEA map  on the Alaska  Regional Energy Plan.                                                                
She explained  that the map  roughly followed the  Alaska Native                                                                
Corporations' boundaries. She  noted that  regional planning was                                                                
not limited to boundaries and shared resource opportunities were                                                                
sought out.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP commented that trusting local knowledge for                                                                     
planning was positive.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD addressed Supporting Regional Solutions-Calista                                                                 
Region as follows:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Uniqueness:                                                                                                                
       · Large region with largest population, including                                                                        
          56 villages.                                                                                                          
       · High energy and transportation costs.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Resources:                                                                                                                 
       · Wind in the coastal areas.                                                                                             
       · Exploring feasibility of hydropower at Chikuminuk                                                                      
          Lake.                                                                                                                 
       · Community clusters: brings potential for energy                                                                        
          interties.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She said the Calista Region plan was one of the first plans                                                                     
that AEA initiated beyond the Southeast Integrated Resource                                                                     
Plan. She noted that the  Nuvista Light & Power group would                                                                     
be involved with the Chikuminuk Hydroelectric & Alternative                                                                     
Energy Project.  She explained  the community  clusters for                                                                     
potential     energy    interties     included:    Tooksook                                                                     
Bay/Tununak/Nightmute,     Alakanuk/Emmonak,    and     St.                                                                     
Mary's/Mountain Village/Pilot Station. She said the Calista                                                                     
Region was looking at  the community clusters beyond energy                                                                     
infrastructure and  noted school  facilities as  an example                                                                     
that could benefit from a larger region.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:29:53 AM                                                                                                                    
She addressed the Current Regional Plan Contracts as follows:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
       · Ahtna    Region:    Copper    Valley   Development                                                                     
          Association.                                                                                                          
       · Aleut    Region:    Southwest   Alaska   Municipal                                                                     
          Conference (SWAMC).                                                                                                   
       · Bering Straits Region: Bering Straits Development                                                                      
          Council.                                                                                                              
       · Bristol Bay Region: SWAMC.                                                                                             
       · Calista Region: Nuvista Light and Electric                                                                             
          Cooperative.                                                                                                          
       · NANA Region: Northwest Arctic Borough Economic                                                                         
          Development Commission.                                                                                               
       · Doyon Region: Direct grant to Tanana Chiefs                                                                            
          Conference from the Denali Commission.                                                                                
       · Working with Chugach, Kokiak and Arctic Slope                                                                          
          Regions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOLD said AEA had been holding Regional Planning                                                                     
Group  meetings to  make  sure that  the  regional planners                                                                     
could get together and look  at some of the roadblocks. She                                                                     
noted  that  AEA was  primarily  trying  to  work with  the                                                                     
[Department   of    Commerce,   Community,   and   Economic                                                                     
Development's]  Alaska  Regional  Development Organizations                                                                     
(ARDOR).  She  explained  that  ARDOR encompassed  regional                                                                     
leaders with economic development roles and provided a good                                                                     
segue for regional  planning impact on economic development                                                                     
efforts.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:31:12 AM                                                                                                                    
She addressed Supporting Regional Solutions-Ahtna Region as                                                                     
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Uniqueness:                                                                                                                
       · 17 communities on the road system.                                                                                     
       · Federal land ownership.                                                                                                
       · Large seasonal load growth.                                                                                            
       · Village corporations merged with Ahtna Regional                                                                        
          Corporation to form on land owner.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Resources:                                                                                                                 
       · Biomass.                                                                                                               
       · Hydropower.                                                                                                            
       · Interties and transmission.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that the Ahtna  Regional Corporation's focus                                                                     
was on  biomass and  noted that  the region's  potential to                                                                     
connect with the Railbelt Region.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
She addressed Energy Policy Development and Coordination as                                                                     
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
       · Deputy Director for Statewide Energy Policy                                                                            
          Development.                                                                                                          
         · Coordination of energy plans on statewide level.                                                                     
       · Coordinate multi-agency efforts.                                                                                       
       · Serve    a   lead   on   Alaska's  energy   policy                                                                     
          development.                                                                                                          
       · Individual project analysis and vetting.                                                                               
       · Transmission planning.                                                                                                 
       · Working with AIDEA on LNG trucking.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOLD stated  that Mr.  Therriault would  provide the                                                                
committee   with   information   on   policy   development   and                                                                
coordination.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  said legislation  had  been  introduced in  the                                                                
Senate  regarding access  and  the issue  pertained to  removing                                                                
physical impediments for energy  users. He explained that access                                                                
to biomass was a key issue and noted Alaska's tremendous biomass                                                                
resources. He revealed that existing state statutes with regards                                                                
to  biomass access  were  geared towards  harvesting timber  for                                                                
dimensional lumber or other use.  He said the desire for biomass                                                                
access as an energy  source may facilitate change in regulations                                                                
and statutes. He explained that a clear policy call was required                                                                
from  the legislature  to  assure that  Alaskans  had access  to                                                                
biomass as an energy source.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said there was an issue with traditional access across lands.                                                                
He said an  example would be finding a  potential hydro spot for                                                                
development and addressing whether the power could be wielded to                                                                
its possible consumers. He  stated that consideration would have                                                                
to be  given to allow for crossing  state lands or legislatively                                                                
designated areas.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:35:10 AM                                                                                                                    
He  addressed the  policy to  increase energy  efficiency by  15                                                                
percent by  the year 2020. He  said AEA had to  work in-house to                                                                
determine how  attaining the efficiency goal  would be measured.                                                                
He  noted  that  a  report  was  delivered  to  the  legislature                                                                
regarding   AEA's  proposal   on   efficiency  measurement   and                                                                
departmental  coordination in  measuring  whether  the goal  was                                                                
being achieved. He  said AEA's goal was  to consistently provide                                                                
empirical  data   that  showed  whether   funded  programs  were                                                                
achieving their policy goals.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He referred to the "disconnect" to get school districts to fully                                                                
understand how to  get access to funded  programs. He noted that                                                                
schools would  have  an impact  on measurable  energy efficiency                                                                
gains in  government owned infrastructure. He  said AEA's intent                                                                
was to include schools into a measureable matrix to monitor goal                                                                
achievement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed  the 2025  goal  for  50  percent of  the  state's                                                                
electrical needs  to  be supplied  by alternative  and renewable                                                                
energy sources. He  said AEA believed the state  would reach its                                                                
goal if current projects were ultimately deployed. He noted that                                                                
Alaska's electrical  load was  Railbelt focused and  success was                                                                
largely dependent on the Susitna-Watana project.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:37:47 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. THERRIAULT noted that the state's blessing and curse was its                                                                
vast array of energy alternatives. He disclosed that an AEA team                                                                
had  been assembled  to assist  the legislature  in  the vetting                                                                
projects and proposals.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  Alaska  was better  off pursuing                                                                
localized and  regional energy  project or  running transmission                                                                
lines  throughout  the  state   from  the  Susitna-Watana  Hydro                                                                
project. He  asked how  widespread an energy  project's delivery                                                                
plan should be.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:40:17 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. FISHER-GOLD  replied that  Alaska's challenge was  its great                                                                
distances  between  resources  and   load.  She  explained  that                                                                
building  a  transmission line  was  not  always  the answer  to                                                                
reducing energy cost. She said  there was a cost associated with                                                                
building a  transmission system in addition to  making sure that                                                                
the developed  energy generation  was cheaper than  the intended                                                                
delivery location's existing alternatives.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT said  the  state  had an  energy  plan that  was                                                                
established  by the  legislature  through  legislation that  set                                                                
goals  and programs  to  achieve the  goals.  He explained  that                                                                
funding  was provided  to  make sure  the  programs were  moving                                                                
forward to achieve the goals. He noted that one size did not fit                                                                
all  and addressed  the  Energy Pathways  Plan  for regionalized                                                                
planning  efforts. He  explained  that  the  concept to  deliver                                                                
energy across  a large  area was  a challenge due  to geographic                                                                
remoteness and load  parameters. He said a copper  wire could be                                                                
stretched over a large area, but very low demand could result in                                                                
line  delivery losses  that equal  or exceed  the  intended load                                                                
coverage. He said AEA intended  to work with geographic areas to                                                                
economically assess what made the most sense.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:43:56 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI inquired what Alaska would  look like in 50                                                                
years. He asked if a village's energy would be supplied by their                                                                
wind  farm or  solar  panels, statewide  transmission lines,  or                                                                
regional hubs  that supplied  power in  a geographical  area. He                                                                
explained that a 50  year energy outlook was a critical exercise                                                                
for  the  committee  and  AEA  to  consider  due  to  the  large                                                                
investments in energy projects.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  responded that the investments  being made would                                                                
bring about  less fluctuation in the  price of power  due to the                                                                
focus on alternative and renewable energies. He noted that there                                                                
were two metrics for users of power: cost and certainty. He said                                                                
a  business considering  an  investment would  have to  estimate                                                                
their  power costs  for multiple  years. He  explained  that the                                                                
power cost  might not be  as low as  a business may want,  but a                                                                
business plan could be built around how the cost could be met.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:45:51 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. FISHER-GOLD addressed AEA's Active Energy Projects regarding                                                                
funding for various programs and the FY14 Budget Summary.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  thanked Ms. Fisher-Gold and  Mr. Therriault for                                                                
their AEA presentation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:47:41 AM                                                                                                                    
There  being  no further  business  to  come  before the  Senate                                                                
Special Committee on  In-State Energy, Co-Chair Bishop adjourned                                                                
the meeting at 8:47 a.m.                                                                                                        

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
AEA Overview Senate Instate Energy 01.24.13.pdf SISE 1/24/2013 7:30:00 AM
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